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PostSubject: Re: Talk In Japanese   Tue Feb 08, 2011 3:07 pm

I've added you XD! Hopefully the right one :p
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PostSubject: Re: Talk In Japanese   Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:40 am

Yep!^^ You got the right one! ;D

In japanese class today, we covered particles in the sentences. Particles are words that help define what we're talking about. They define subjects, actions, objects, etc. For us, they'd be words like "and" "to" "is". That kind of stuff. Well, this will count as review for me so here are some particles for you all.

"wa" (Hiragana for it is "ha") : commonly used in identifying a noun. Watashi "WA" Elliot desu. I "AM" Elliot.

Ga: Its another form of "wa". its more commonly used. It can also be used as "watachi wa, neko GA daisuki desu" Which means "i love cats"

No: A possessive particle. "watashi NO neko desu" "MY cat" If it was "wa" the sentence would be "I am cat" It makes no sense right? So after you put the subject, if you put "no" then your saying that it belongs to them.

Ni: Ni is used in many situations. Its normally used when time is involved.

Wo: Its used before an action verb. "Neko WO tabemasu" "I EAT a cat" Now, if its past tense.."Neko wo tabemaSHITA" It would translate out to "I ATE a cat". Either way, it implies that you did something, or you are doing something.

De: (description will come later)

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PostSubject: Re: Talk In Japanese   Wed Feb 09, 2011 12:05 pm

Wow, this is really helpful!! *note down**note down*
What will be an example of "ni" being used?
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PostSubject: Re: Talk In Japanese   Wed Feb 09, 2011 6:18 pm

Alright lets see....Ni is used for time so...

so, since my school computers are awesome, i'll type in japanese.


今の、なんじですか。
ima no, nanji desu ka?
What time is it right now?

...crap, i totally forget the time unit xD;; I have japanese in about an hour, i'll post something later today Dx but now that i can type japanese....=3

Kanji lesson!

待って-matte-wait. the first kanji is used as an implement of time. まって
月-tsuki- moon つき
日-ni- sun に
本-hon- book ほん
今-ima- now(today, its used for the present time sense) いま
水-mizu-water みず
黄色-kiiro-yellow きいろ
青-ao-blue あお
赤-aka-red あか
緑-midori-green みどり
水色-mizuiro-light blue. みずいろ
止まれ-tomare-stop (commonly seen on stop signs) とまれ
私-watashi-me わたし
自分-jibun-myself じぶん
お前-omae- you (this one is very rude and condecending) おまえ
前-mae-infront まえ
左-hidari-left ひだり
右-migi-right みぎ
下-shita-down した
上-ue-up うえ

Alright^^ this is all for now~ =D (More like, this is all i can remember and i should get working on my social work xD;; *is in social class right now*)
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PostSubject: Re: Talk In Japanese   Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:31 am

Alright!!! I decided to be actually useful for once!!! I've been meaning to do this for a while. I got a useful sheet around the begginning of the semester, and ive been meaning to type it out for you guys. Here it is.

Okay, so when conjugating verbs, the dreaded form is the "Te" form. So in class, i was taught a song to remember it. I'll type it out. (Te form song applies ONLY to the "U" verbs)
い ち り --> って (i chi ri --> tte)
び み に --> んで (bi mi ni --> nde)
きーーーー> て (ki-->te)
ぎーーーー> で (gi--de)
しーーーー> して (shi-->shite)
きーーーー> きて (ki-->kite)
いきますー> いって (ikimasu-->itte)

If you are wondering about the second "ki" in there, if a verb is just "kimasu", then it would turn into "Kite"

Verbs. Dictionary form--> て form--> た form

る Verbs

1. To Eat = 食べます(Tabemasu)ー>たべる
2. To Close = しめます(Shimemasu)ー>しめる
3. To Leave = 出ます(Demasu)ー>でる
4. To lose; to be defeated = まけます(Makemasu)ー>まける
5. To Look = みます(Mimasu)ー>みる
6. To show = みせます(Misemasu)ー>みせる
7. To wake up = おきます(Okimasu)ー>おきる

うverbs

8. To Return (home) = かえります(kaerimasu)ー>かえる
9. To understand = わかります(wakarimasu)ー>わかる
10. To take time = かかります(kakarimasu)ー>かかる
11. To Buy = かいます(kaimasu)ー>かう
12. To use = つかいます(Tsukaimasu)ー>つかう
13. To sing = うたいます(Utaimasu)ー>うたう
14. To stand = たちます(tachimasu)ー>たつ
15. To Win = かちます(kachimasu)ー>かつ
16. To Wait = まちます(machimasu)ー>まつ
17. To Listen = ききます(kikimasu)ー>きく
18. To Arrive = つきます(tsukimasu)ー>つき
19. To Swim = およぎます(oyogimasu)ー>およぐ
20. To be noisy = さわぎます(sawagimasu)ー>さわぐ
21. To drink =のみます(nomimasu)ー>のむ
22. To play = あそびます(asobimasu)ー>あそぶ
23. To Fly = とびます(tobimasu)ー>とぶ
24. To Lend = かします(kashimasu)ー>かす
25. To Return (something) = かえします(kaeshimasu)ー>かえす

Irregular verbs

26. something non-living = あります(Arimasu)ー>ある
27. To come = きます(Kimasu)ー> くる
28. To do = します(shimasu)ー> する
29. To go = いきま(Ikimasu)ー> いく

(continued in next post)
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PostSubject: Re: Talk In Japanese   Wed Mar 23, 2011 2:46 am

Thank you Elliot! All this will really come in handy! : D

*takes notes and studies them* oni046
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PostSubject: Re: Talk In Japanese   Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:33 am

1. たべて tabete
2. しめて shimete
3. でて dete
4. まけて makete
5. みて mite
6. みせて misete
7. おきて okite

8. かえって kaette
9. わかって wakatte
10. かかって kakatte
11. 買って katte
12. つかって tsukatte
13. うたって utatte
14. たって tatte
15. かって katte
16. まってmatte
17. きって kitte
18. つって tsutte
19. およぎで oyogide
20. さわぎで sawagide
21. のんで nonde
22. あそんで asonde
23. とんで tonde
24. かして kashite
25. かえして kaeshite

26. あります(i dont know the te form for this one wahhhhh )
27. きて kite
28. して shite
29. いって itte

And i forgot one other.
To Read = よみます(yomimasu)ー>よんで(yonde)
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PostSubject: Re: Talk In Japanese   Wed Mar 23, 2011 3:35 am

Ta form and Sentences come tomorrow T__T I have a japanese powerpoint i was supposed to finish/work on....xD;;; a-and i lost total track of time doing this xD;;;
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PostSubject: Re: Talk In Japanese   Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:41 am

Ah you can type in hiragana now, Elliot, horray!
Why is the 'te' form so dreaded?

BTW I am loving this grammar resource:
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar
It even has an iPhone app!

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PostSubject: Re: Talk In Japanese   Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:16 pm

@Elliot: Whoa! Thank you so much for your effort!!!!! (Shame on me though because I don't undestand anything XD;;;;; Need to start studying the basic first oni046 ). I laughed so hard when I see "かえって kaette" XD XD XD Well... XD;;;;;;

@Reim: Oh wow! Thanks so much for sharing this! *is reading the guide*
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PostSubject: Re: Talk In Japanese   Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:35 am

ALRIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so this is going to be my studying for my Japanese diploma, as well as my continuation for this little lesson!!! So, now lets carry on with the next few forms shall we?!

new forms: たい、ない、よう・おう + た!!!!

And if i have time i'll also put in various adjectives, and show the そう form for them~!



-----------------------------------NEW STUFF-------------------------------------------

た-form~! Its really quite easy, take your previous knowledge of the "te" form and just switch "te" to "ta"! Doing this makes it "PAST TENSE". 8D

1. たべた tabeta
2. しめた shimeta
3. でた deta
4. まけた maketa
5. みた mita
6. みせた miseta
7. おきた okita

8. かえった kaetta
9. わかった wakatta
10. かかった kakatta
11. 買った katta
12. つかった tsukatta
13. うたった utatta
14. たった tatta
15. かった katta
16. まったmatta
17. きった kitta
18. つった tsutta
19. およっだ oyogidda
20. さわぎだ sawagida
21. のんだ nonda
22. あそんだ asonda
23. とんだ tonda
24. かした kashita
25. かえした kaeshita

26. あります(i dont know the ta form for this one)
27. きた kita
28. した shita
29. いった itta
30.よんだ yonda

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ない-form

1. たべない tabenai
2. しめない shimenai
3. でない denai (it might be "dewanai" but im unsure of which it is. but the one i typed is read "denai")
4. まけない makenai
5. みない minai
6. みせない misenai
7. おきない okinai

8. かえらない kaeranai
9. わからない wakaranai
10. かからない kakaranai
11. かわない - (unsure) kawanai
12. つかあない taukaanai
13. うたわない -(unsure) utawanai
14. たたない tatanai
15. かたない katanai
16. またない matanai
17. きかない kikanai
18. つかない tsukanai
19. およがない oyoganai
20. さわがない sawaganai
21. のまない nomanai
22. あそばない asobanai
23. とばない tobanai
24. かさない kasanai
25. かえさない kaesanai

26. ”” (unsure)
27. こない konai
28. しない shinai
29. いわない iwanai
30. よまない yomanai

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たい-form

1. たべたい tabetai
2.しめたい shimetai
3. でたい detai
4. まけたい maketai
5. みたい mitai
6. みせたい misetai
7. おきたい okitai

8. かえりたい kaeritai
9. わかりたい wakaritai
10. かかりたい kakaritai
11. かいたい kaitai
12. つかいたい tsukaitai
13. うたいたい utaitai (sounds ridiculous i know xD)
14. たちたい tachitai
15. かちたい kachitai
16. まちたい machitai
17. ききたい kikitai
18. つきたい tsukitai
19. およぎたい oyogitai
20. さわぎたい sawagitai
21. のみたい nomitai
22. あそびたい asobitai
23. とびたい tobitai
24. かしたい kashitai
25. かえしたい kaeshitai

26. ””
27. きたい kitai
28. したい shitai
29. いきたい ikitai
30. よみたい yomitai

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よう。おう-form (lets)

1. たべよう tabeyou
2. しめよう shimeyou
3. でよう deyou
4. まけよう makeyou
5. みよう miyou
6. みせよう miseyou
7. おきよう okiyou

8. かえろう kaerou
9. わかろう wakarou
10. かかろう kakarou
11. かおう kaou
12. つかおう tsukaou
13. うたおう utaou
14. たとう tatou
15. かこう kakou
16. まとう matou
17. きこう kikou
18. つこう tsukou
19. およごう oyogou
20. さわごう sawagou
21. のもう nomou
22. あそぼう asobou
23. とぼう tobou
24. かそう kasou
25. かえそう kaesou

26. ’’
27. こよう koyou
28. しよう shiyou
29. いこう ikou
30. よもう yomou

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Particles/adjectives on next post 8D
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PostSubject: Re: Talk In Japanese   Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:07 am

Tasty: おいしい
Cold (temperature): さむい
Hot (temperature): あつい (dont use this like "that guy is hot" its like saying "that guy has a fever")
Pretty (or clean):きれい
Dirty: きたない
difficult: むずかしい
Tall/Expensive: たかい

lets use these for now.

now for "sou" form, its used when something "looks"_____ <-- enter adject. here.

おいしそう-looks good (tasty)
さむそう- looks cold
あつそう- looks hot
きれそう- looks pretty
きたなそう-looks dirty
むずかしそう-looks difficult (hard)
たかそう-looks expensive (tall)

------------------------particles---------------


は- identifies the subject.
" Subject は noun です "
を- identifies the action or object. usually used with a ます verb.
" Subject は object を verb ます.
で- usually used like "in". "IN japanese." "IN a place" "BY transportation"
"Subject は time に place で object/something を verb ます"
に- used like "at" or "on", usually for time or days. Its also used as "to" like TO a place. (in movement)
"subject は when/time に object を verb ます"
と- used like "and".
" subject と subject"
や-
が- its used to emphasize(1) a meaning, or its used as "but"(2).
1."subject は object が すき です" (as an example)
2."sentence 1 が sentence 2" "わたしはまんがかになりたいですが、にほんごをべんきょうをします" (i want to be a manga artist BUT i have to study japanese)
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PostSubject: Re: Talk In Japanese   Tue Jun 21, 2011 3:48 pm

Konnichiwa, minna! Atashi wa Shelby desu. Atashi wa neko daisuki desu!

Veh, I fail XD
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PostSubject: Re: Talk In Japanese   Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:50 pm

*u* I have been lurking on this thread for a while and I was thinking about actually trying to start learning the language because I've always wanted to learn the language but I didn't know where to begin and I always lose motivation and determination to learn the language.

But Elliot all your posts about tips and lessons, etc etc has really motivated me to learn the language! 8D

I was just wondering, does anybody know a good website to learn the basics of Japanese? (like Hello, Goodmorning, etc etc) ^^'
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PostSubject: Re: Talk In Japanese   Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:17 pm

@Leah, I guess it partly depends on why you want to learn Japanese? I've been trying to learn mainly so I can read manga, so I haven't paid as much attention to the common phrases, like Good Afternoon and so forth.

I started with learning Hiragana and Katakana syllabaries, that way I could actually read the Japanese without needing a transliteration. It makes it easier to make sense of any other Japanese resources you find. I used "Japanese Hiragana for Beginners" and "Japanese Katakana for Beginners" by Timothy G Stout. They have flashcards to help you memorize the syllables.

I have some other resources and tips on my LJ:
http://gommyommy.livejournal.com/tag/learning%20japanese

The Tae Kim Grammar Guide is also helpful:
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar


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PostSubject: Re: Talk In Japanese   Tue Jun 21, 2011 6:35 pm

^
Yeah, it's the same with me, I mostly want to learn the language to be able to read/write it. And also being a big fan of some idol groups I would like to be able to understand what they are saying without having to read translations or subtitles. I also would like to visit Japan one day and be able to communicate with others. XD;

Ah I see, thanks for the links, I'll check them out! C:
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PostSubject: Re: Talk In Japanese   Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:39 pm

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Konnichiwa, minna! Atashi wa Shelby desu. Atashi wa neko daisuki desu!

Veh, I fail XD

Hahahah! not bad! not bad at all! You're saying that your name is Shelby, and that you really like cats right?^^ Although if i remember correctly, using "atashi" does mean "I" but i forget if its casual, or if its showing that you think of yourself better than everyone else, OR if it means that you're showing disrespect to yourself. "Watashi" is the common way, but they both mean the same thing! >w< And inbetween "neko" and "daisuki" i think there should be a "ga" in there o.o But other than that, Well done^^ You seem to know some of the basics!

@Leah: Awww good^^ Im glad to hear that. If you want any additional knowledge i can try typing out basic greetings and words if you'd like! Just ask me what you would like to know!! And yeah, being able to understand it will really help you understand those things a little better xD;;; And I too, would like to visit Japan 8D so i guess we're in the same boat!^^

@Reim: oh right! Your sound effect guide is on here too! Sweet! Thank you for the links!!^^
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PostSubject: Re: Talk In Japanese   Wed Jun 22, 2011 9:26 pm

^
Thank you so much! <3
Maybe some greetings like Good Morning, Hello, everyday words, etc? ^ ^;

I was wondering does Japanese have like, uhm a sentence structure?

Like for Spanish it has a sentence structure, for example...
The blonde hair.
El pelo rubio.

In Spanish the adjective (blonde - rubio) is usually after the noun (hair - pelo).

Or does it depend on what you are trying to say/write in Japanese?
I hope I make sense. xD *is bad at explaining things*

Yeah *u* Japan seems like a beautiful country!
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