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Xerxes Break Admin of Pandora
Posts : 4663 Join date : 2009-09-05 Age : 38 Location : Uk North East
| Subject: chapter 57 Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:35 pm | |
| not much i can say anbout this chapter cause it#s pretty hard to tell whats going on | |
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Xerxes Break Admin of Pandora
Posts : 4663 Join date : 2009-09-05 Age : 38 Location : Uk North East
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:52 pm | |
| ok from what people said on manga fox. isla has been killed not sure if its ture or not so i'm going to look at the scans. the lady that had leo captured is eliots mother O_O and eliot kills her to save leo which also makes eliot realse he's the head hunter O.O woah we'll have to wait till the chapter gets translated | |
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Elliot Nightray
Posts : 1612 Join date : 2010-08-24 Age : 30 Location : Nightray Mansion (Edmonton AB, Canada)
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:02 pm | |
| Ah hah! I must start translating! I failed last time but i will try harder this time! >D | |
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Echo-chan
Posts : 901 Join date : 2010-08-03 Age : 31 Location : USA
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:20 pm | |
| This chapter...... was........all I can say is....... Woah.... and NO FREAKIN WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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Elliot Nightray
Posts : 1612 Join date : 2010-08-24 Age : 30 Location : Nightray Mansion (Edmonton AB, Canada)
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:42 am | |
| T-this chapter......was hard for me to read...for a few reasons...*wipes away tears* But...im holding onto a sliver of hope right now....due to an inconsistency i found...And this is my translation from my first read through. - Spoiler:
Well, to start it off, Gil goes back to Oz. Then Alice wakes up and doesnt know why she's crying.Then she remembers what Yura told her. How if Oz uses her power, he'll end up killing everyone.Well, Alice starts to cry again. her memories made her cry. well, I translated the bottom part of it, here. (i cant describe it) Alice: I dont know... Alice: ...What im supposed to do Alice: Sadness Alice: suffering Alice: The pain... Alice: Why did i have to remember it...? Alice: Dammit! Alice: dammit! Alice: STOP THIS!!!!
So after that Oz tells alice not to cry, and that she mustnt be sad any longer. Then Oz says that he will kill it with his own hand. then Alice yells at him, and tells him not to do it. Then Oz says something to Yura that makes him laugh happily. And being the twisted fellow he is, he's like "Amazing! simply amazing Oz-sama!!" then the people around them are amazed by Oz's power, then Yura says something, and Oz says "Honestly...shut up would you?" Oz then proceeds to kill everyone in the room. I think Yura starts questioning something, then Oz turns to Yura, Then Alice used headbutt! lol. She says something like "Stop speaking nonsense!!!!!" Then Alice starts ratting out Oz, she mentions the will of the abyss once or twice, and i think the gist of it is about him using her powers. Then after 2 pages or so of that, Oz realizes the time, then Yura being the annoyance that he is, has already started the ceremony. ---Elliot and co--- Elliot yells out "mother!!" when he grabbed her wrist. Then he tells her to stop, and then he asks why she's doing this. She tells him to listen to her, Of course, his mother starts talking about the cult (probably) then Elliot says "Mother! Vanessa....she was killed, by the head hunter..!" My guess for what follows is that Elliot guilt trips his mother (i think) about spending too much time with this stupid cult, and that the house of fianna that she so loyally serves is only turning the kids into chains, and forces them into a contract. And then Elliot gets smacked across the face. He feels a sharp pain in his chest, and his mother checks the clock. His mother says something like "Its fine...dont be sad over Vanessa's death..." (or something along those lines.) Then, right before sge stabs Leo, she's like "lets go to the abyss, soon everyone will know true salvation!"
-----Oz and co------ So, Oz is stopped by Alice, then The power of b-rabbit is overpowered by Jack i think. Naturally when Yura sees this he goes crazy. he also realizes that Oz fooled him the last time. why? cause his voice didn't change xD (stupid Yura is stupid) Then he says that he wishes to see the Abyss, then Jack says that the Abyss is a lightless world, and that no one should be down there. Then, Jack/Oz picks up Yura's sword, walks over to him. Jack/Oz tell yura that he doesnt want him to suffer, and then, they say "good bye". therefore, i think that Yura is actually dead. ----Flash back: Glen and Jack---- I couldnt get much out of this, I apologize D= But what i did get out of it was that Glen was hiding orr something, then Jack came looking for him. Glen tells him that he had a dream that meant alot to him (i think) Then he also mentions how the Abyss' power might be affecting his Chain in weird ways.
----Elliot and Leo---- someone is calling out Leos name, and is wondering where he is. Leo notices blood, and questions it. Then, Leo apologizes to Elliot. Next thing we know he has his sword in his mothers back. Elliot: mo...ther? Elliots mom: E..lli....ot.... Elliots mom: Elli...ot... Then, from that, Elliot gets these memories back, of seeing his dead family just laying there. Then it says stuff like "he alone killed many people, he even killed people of his own blood" then i think they say that his sword is stained with that blood. then maybe this is going on in his head but its saying "thats wrong" "thats wrong, thats wrong, it wasnt your fault" "Thats wrong" "it was that womans fault" Then Leo was "Im..." Then it says that he is the head hunter. then a chain appears behind Elliot and cuts off his mothers head. Then its shown that Elliot DID have a clock, im thinking that it was hidden cause Leo was far away. Then in the flashback, Leo hands him registration sheets (or something). probably for the piano. Then....the reason why Elliot knew the song "Lacie" was because Leo was able to get inside Elliots head and teach him it. (creepy huh?) Then when it cuts back to Leo crying, he says something about his name. Then on the last page it says "Im----" With a "dead" Elliot. it looks like he stabbed himself.
Contradiction: - Spoiler:
Elliot isnt dead i dont think, for one, the clothes he was wearing are those from sabrie, and the page is black, symbolizing that this occured in the past. but how could it?
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Gilbert Nightray
Posts : 2324 Join date : 2009-09-05 Age : 31 Location : Canada
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:53 am | |
| Holy shitttttt Jun loves to give us mental mind-fucks don't she? I mean... - Spoiler:
We all knew there was a possiblity of Elliot being the Head Hunter..but I never expected him to be an illegal contractor. o_____o
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Elliot Nightray
Posts : 1612 Join date : 2010-08-24 Age : 30 Location : Nightray Mansion (Edmonton AB, Canada)
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:57 am | |
| I agree Gil Dx And yeah... - Spoiler:
I knew that Leo wasnt the Headhunter...but then at the same time....the worst thing that i was suppressing for the longest time came true...
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Konpeito
Posts : 456 Join date : 2010-11-20 Age : 27 Location : Washington (Where it never stops raining...)
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:37 am | |
| SPOILERS:
Does that mean that Break WAS right about Elliot then?, That would explain why Break grabed him in eailer chapters, It seemed odd that Break would do anything without being completely positive about it, So I think there's a good chance that Elliot is the Head Hunter.
However in eailer chapters Elliot was with Gilbert when Break started chaseing the head hunter, How would he be able to be at two places at once, And why would he lead him to where Reim was "Killed", And how would Elliot not know he is the headhunter at all?.
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Elliot Nightray
Posts : 1612 Join date : 2010-08-24 Age : 30 Location : Nightray Mansion (Edmonton AB, Canada)
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:25 am | |
| - Spoiler:
What if there are two Elliots? its just a guess and i have no evidence to support it but...
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Gilbert Nightray
Posts : 2324 Join date : 2009-09-05 Age : 31 Location : Canada
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:53 am | |
| @Konpeito - Spoiler:
I'm not entirely sure but maybe Elliots chain has the ability to move away from its master without him knowing. Plus Elliot might be someone who suffers from temporary amnesia. Or he's the type that his mind will go completely blank while he's doing something he's unaware of (similar to that of Sleep Walking).
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Reim Lunettes
Posts : 223 Join date : 2010-10-20 Age : 55 Location : Washington state
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:03 am | |
| Olivine's translation is up: http://mangahelpers.com/t/olivine/releases/27223 - Spoiler:
I think the reason Elliot appears to have amnesia is that he's contracted to Humpty Dumpty and is given false memories, like the orphans. So he can't really remember things for that reason. From the translation linked above, it seems that Elliot's seal was really there a few chapters ago, but he pretended not to see it.
The really interesting part of this chapter for me was about how Humpty Dumpty appears to be trying to protect Leo (essentially forcing Elliot to kill his mother because she was attacking Leo). In the Glen/Jack conversation, we learn there have been multiple Glen Baskervilles. Glen says that Humpty Dumpty was made from the previous Glen's body. And that it will be attracted to the previous Glen's soul and will try to protect it. So Leo must be the container for the previous Glen's soul. Does anyway else read it that way?
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Vincent Nightray
Posts : 2570 Join date : 2009-09-09 Age : 29 Location : USA (illinois)
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:57 am | |
| I dont really know.....I am actually at a loss for words at this one.
WHY DO WE NEED TO WAIT FOR THE NEXT CHAPTER D: | |
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Gilbert Nightray
Posts : 2324 Join date : 2009-09-05 Age : 31 Location : Canada
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:50 am | |
| @Vincent:
Because manga distributing is EVIL.!? T_T | |
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Vincent Nightray
Posts : 2570 Join date : 2009-09-09 Age : 29 Location : USA (illinois)
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:39 pm | |
| @ gil Very very very true | |
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Gizele12
Posts : 110 Join date : 2010-11-18
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:08 pm | |
| I just read the translation at Mangareader,net, my worst fear is true. T.T - Spoiler:
Well, I'm a bit confused but there is a chance that both Leo or Elliot could be vessels for Glen's soul, but if either of them are I still wonder what could happen to them, the ineteresting thing is that Elliot seemed to have been controlled bu the Humpty-Dumpty, from what I saw the chain put ideas into his mind and he just accepted them out of fear to admit he was the head hunter.
Konpeito's idea is quite true, but I recall that Humpty-Dumpty could have multiple contractors, so Break could have been after one of them while Elliot was just another one. But I'm still not sure.
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Reim Lunettes
Posts : 223 Join date : 2010-10-20 Age : 55 Location : Washington state
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:11 pm | |
| I think if either B-Rabbit or Mad Hatter could kill Humpty Dumpty, then all Humpty's contractors could be free of the contract and won't go to Abyss. So there is still hope. | |
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Elliot Nightray
Posts : 1612 Join date : 2010-08-24 Age : 30 Location : Nightray Mansion (Edmonton AB, Canada)
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:48 pm | |
| @Reim: I hate to be questioning the hope, but...if the chains are killed....in a way, that'll also kill the contractors....;A;
@Gizele: I think that the vessel/Reincarnation is probably Leo....I hate to think so but even still ><
Now, that being said, What if Leo WAS Humpty dumpty? But at the same time, if i take into consideration about my claim of "Leo being Glen" That would make Glen the original Humpty dumpty. Which would make his chain (well one of them) Humpty Dumpty.
Another possibility is that the abyss managed to mutate one of Glens multiple chains into the Humpty dumpty, and this Chain corrupted him somehow, and cause his massive killing spree. All this being said, that would make Leo the thing that Infected Leo...And since Leo didnt want to hurt Elliot, he blocked those memories from his mind. I dont really know why he revealed them to Elliot NOW but...Either way.
A quick sum up: Glen-->Humpty dumpty Leo-->Glen-->Humpty Dumpty Elliot is the head hunter?-->Leo is the cause.
I forget but....How many chains Did Glen have? If so, how many of them have we seen? If we've seen all of them, then my idea wont work. My idea is: Which ever Chain we HAVEN'T seen is the one that went all weird. (Process of elimination i guess)
I dont really have much--let alone any evidence to prove my claims but Even still. it doesnt hurt to speculate right? xD;
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Reim Lunettes
Posts : 223 Join date : 2010-10-20 Age : 55 Location : Washington state
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:10 am | |
| @Elliot...In Retrace 57 it seemed to say pretty clearly that Glen has had multiple bodies, and that Humpty Dumpty is the chain that was created from the previous Glen Baskerville's body. Since that chain is now in Elliot and the orphans, and seems to be protecting Leo, then Leo must contain the soul that is mutually attracted to that particular body.
In ch 39 it says "The master of Baskerville isn't human. Five chains lie within his body: the black-feathered jabberwock, the raven, the dodo, the owl, and the griffon. The undead spirit keeps changing hosts, and continues ruling as the king of the red soul reaper..."
How we reconcile these two bits of information, I'm not sure. | |
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Elliot Nightray
Posts : 1612 Join date : 2010-08-24 Age : 30 Location : Nightray Mansion (Edmonton AB, Canada)
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:56 pm | |
| Sorry xD; i didnt actually read the trans yet. If thats the case, and Glen was going to transfer his soul into Gilbert, (I might not understand this completely but...) What would that make Gil then? Since he made a pact with Raven, which was one of Glens Chains....I-i might be on the wrong track here but still. | |
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Isla Yura
Posts : 128 Join date : 2011-01-04 Age : 29 Location : Canada, eh?
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:33 am | |
| Gwaaah, I'm just so confuzzled. *_* I think it's kinda cool that leo has the possibility to be such an . . . important charcter [Not that he wasn't already but you know...] and that Eliiot, the guy of like, awesomenss, is an illegal contractor. WHEN THE HECK DID THAT HAPPEN?! I mean, he only has four more turns on the clock and then . . Also, holy fast death batman, Yura lasted what, not even 10 chapters?? XD | |
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Gizele12
Posts : 110 Join date : 2010-11-18
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:47 pm | |
| - Elliot Nightray wrote:
- Sorry xD; i didnt actually read the trans yet. If thats the case, and Glen was going to transfer his soul into Gilbert, (I might not understand this completely but...) What would that make Gil then? Since he made a pact with Raven, which was one of Glens Chains....I-i might be on the wrong track here but still.
I was thinking, if Glen wasn't successful on transfering his soul to Gil, then maybe it could have got to multiple vessels, maybe Elliot and Leo are two vessels of his soul, I just thought this because Elliot saw himself in the tragedy of Sabrie, but it's just a guess, it's possible anyway. | |
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Leo
Posts : 1460 Join date : 2011-02-02 Age : 31 Location : Abyss
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:14 pm | |
| This chapter really is a big wow. It's so sad that Elliot turned out to be the Head Hunter (NOOOO!!!!!) Still, there's something that I don't quite understand. The time Break suspected Elliot of being the Head Hunter, he grasped his hand and said that neither Elliot nor the Fianna children can use Humpty Dumpty if he did this. But then the screaming man was still beheaded even though Humpty Dumpty was supposed to be restrained by Break. So who actually did that beheading? And also who actually killed Vanessa? In Elliot's flashback, we can see him killing his brothers and such but there doesn't seem to be any memory of him killing his sister. So does that mean his sister was killed by someone else, like the person standing on the stairs at that time (Please please don't let it be Leo ) One more thing (this is getting too long T__T), does Leo also have a contract with Humpty Dumpty like the other orphans in the House of Fianna? I'm wondering about the order in which Humpty Dumpty was contracted. Was Elliot the first one to contract with HD, hence being the original contractor? And after finding out about that chain, the Nightray (or Isla) started making the children contract with Humpty Dumpty. Or did the children become contractors before Elliot? Because if it's the first case then Leo shouldn't be a HD contractor while in the latter case, he probably is. | |
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Leo
Posts : 1460 Join date : 2011-02-02 Age : 31 Location : Abyss
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:21 pm | |
| Oh yeah, forgot about one thing. Oz destroyed Phillipe's Humpty Dumpty so the clock on his chest disappeared, meaning he's no longer a contractor, right? So I guess if the clock hasn't moved too much and you destroyed the chain, you can free the contractor. However, Elliot's clock is already 3/4 full which means the bond between him and the chain is really strong now, so killing the chain will kill Elliot as well (NOOOOO!!!) Is there no way to save Elliot from being dragged to the Abyss?? Compared to the children's clocks, Elliot's one seems to move the most so that means he contracted with Humpty Dumpty before the kids ~> Leo might not be an illegal contractor, also because HD removed painful memories but Leo still seems to remember everything. But then why did he say to Oz that "...like Phillipe and the other kids, I might forget that...." Ok, I'm getting myself confused now. | |
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Reim Lunettes
Posts : 223 Join date : 2010-10-20 Age : 55 Location : Washington state
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:57 pm | |
| @Leo I don't think we've really got sure answers to your questions yet. It does seem like Elliot could not have killed Vanessa, or that random man in Retrace 53, and it seems unlikely that he killed Marie, Riitasu and Glooner as well. So there is probably someone else "hunting heads" as well, but we just don't know for certain.
I think there is reason to believe that Elliot is the original contractor for Humpty Dumpty (because his Humpty is white not black like the others, and the relative lateness of his incuse). There also seem to be some hints in ch 57 that he might have made the contract when he and Leo visited Sablier to rescue the orphans. That would have been about 2 years ago, I think. The children probably contracted with HD after that. | |
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Leo
Posts : 1460 Join date : 2011-02-02 Age : 31 Location : Abyss
| Subject: Re: chapter 57 Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:17 pm | |
| @Reim: Yeah. Probably things will get a little bit clearer with the next chapter. But I really can't wait anymore >< Who would the other Head Hunter be? Hmmm...
Hope the next chapter will show us how Elliot contracted with Humpty Dumpty, what happened when Elliot and Leo went to rescue the children, why Elliot was in such a near death state back then. Please please give these two a happy ending T___T | |
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