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PostSubject: chapter 57   Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:35 pm

not much i can say anbout this chapter cause it#s pretty hard to tell whats going on

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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Sat Jan 15, 2011 7:52 pm

ok from what people said on manga fox. isla has been killed not sure if its ture or not so i'm going to look at the scans. the lady that had leo captured is eliots mother O_O and eliot kills her to save leo which also makes eliot realse he's the head hunter O.O woah we'll have to wait till the chapter gets translated

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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:02 pm

Ah hah! I must start translating! I failed last time but i will try harder this time! >D
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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Sat Jan 15, 2011 10:20 pm

This chapter...... was........all I can say is....... Woah.... and NO FREAKIN WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:42 am

T-this chapter......was hard for me to read...for a few reasons...*wipes away tears* But...im holding onto a sliver of hope right now....due to an inconsistency i found...And this is my translation from my first read through.

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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:53 am

Holy shitttttt Jun loves to give us mental mind-fucks don't she?

I mean...

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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Sun Jan 16, 2011 1:57 am

I agree Gil Dx

And yeah...

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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:37 am

SPOILERS:

Does that mean that Break WAS right about Elliot then?, That would explain why Break grabed him in eailer chapters, It seemed odd that Break would do anything without being completely positive about it, So I think there's a good chance that Elliot is the Head Hunter.

However in eailer chapters Elliot was with Gilbert when Break started chaseing the head hunter, How would he be able to be at two places at once, And why would he lead him to where Reim was "Killed", And how would Elliot not know he is the headhunter at all?.


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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:25 am

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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Mon Jan 17, 2011 3:53 am

@Konpeito

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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:03 am

Olivine's translation is up:
http://mangahelpers.com/t/olivine/releases/27223

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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Sat Jan 22, 2011 3:57 am

I dont really know.....I am actually at a loss for words at this one.

WHY DO WE NEED TO WAIT FOR THE NEXT CHAPTER D:
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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Sat Jan 22, 2011 8:50 am

@Vincent:

Because manga distributing is EVIL.!? T_T

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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Sat Jan 22, 2011 1:39 pm

@ gil

Very very very true crying fox
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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Sun Jan 23, 2011 3:08 pm

I just read the translation at Mangareader,net, my worst fear is true. T.T
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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Sun Jan 23, 2011 7:11 pm

I think if either B-Rabbit or Mad Hatter could kill Humpty Dumpty, then all Humpty's contractors could be free of the contract and won't go to Abyss. So there is still hope.
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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:48 pm

@Reim: I hate to be questioning the hope, but...if the chains are killed....in a way, that'll also kill the contractors....;A;

@Gizele: I think that the vessel/Reincarnation is probably Leo....I hate to think so but even still ><

Now, that being said, What if Leo WAS Humpty dumpty? But at the same time, if i take into consideration about my claim of "Leo being Glen" That would make Glen the original Humpty dumpty. Which would make his chain (well one of them) Humpty Dumpty.

Another possibility is that the abyss managed to mutate one of Glens multiple chains into the Humpty dumpty, and this Chain corrupted him somehow, and cause his massive killing spree.
All this being said, that would make Leo the thing that Infected Leo...And since Leo didnt want to hurt Elliot, he blocked those memories from his mind. I dont really know why he revealed them to Elliot NOW but...Either way.


A quick sum up:
Glen-->Humpty dumpty
Leo-->Glen-->Humpty Dumpty
Elliot is the head hunter?-->Leo is the cause.

I forget but....How many chains Did Glen have? If so, how many of them have we seen? If we've seen all of them, then my idea wont work.
My idea is: Which ever Chain we HAVEN'T seen is the one that went all weird. (Process of elimination i guess)

I dont really have much--let alone any evidence to prove my claims but Even still. it doesnt hurt to speculate right? xD;
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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Mon Jan 24, 2011 4:10 am

@Elliot...In Retrace 57 it seemed to say pretty clearly that Glen has had multiple bodies, and that Humpty Dumpty is the chain that was created from the previous Glen Baskerville's body. Since that chain is now in Elliot and the orphans, and seems to be protecting Leo, then Leo must contain the soul that is mutually attracted to that particular body.

In ch 39 it says "The master of Baskerville isn't human. Five chains lie within his body: the black-feathered jabberwock, the raven, the dodo, the owl, and the griffon. The undead spirit keeps changing hosts, and continues ruling as the king of the red soul reaper..."

How we reconcile these two bits of information, I'm not sure.
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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Mon Jan 24, 2011 9:56 pm

Sorry xD; i didnt actually read the trans yet. If thats the case, and Glen was going to transfer his soul into Gilbert, (I might not understand this completely but...) What would that make Gil then? Since he made a pact with Raven, which was one of Glens Chains....I-i might be on the wrong track here but still.
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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Wed Jan 26, 2011 1:33 am

Gwaaah, I'm just so confuzzled. *_*

I think it's kinda cool that leo has the possibility to be such an . . . important charcter [Not that he wasn't already but you know...]

and that Eliiot, the guy of like, awesomenss, is an illegal contractor.
WHEN THE HECK DID THAT HAPPEN?!
I mean, he only has four more turns on the clock and then . . Sad

Also, holy fast death batman, Yura lasted what, not even 10 chapters?? XD
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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Wed Jan 26, 2011 8:47 pm

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Sorry xD; i didnt actually read the trans yet. If thats the case, and Glen was going to transfer his soul into Gilbert, (I might not understand this completely but...) What would that make Gil then? Since he made a pact with Raven, which was one of Glens Chains....I-i might be on the wrong track here but still.

I was thinking, if Glen wasn't successful on transfering his soul to Gil, then maybe it could have got to multiple vessels, maybe Elliot and Leo are two vessels of his soul, I just thought this because Elliot saw himself in the tragedy of Sabrie, but it's just a guess, it's possible anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:14 pm

This chapter really is a big wow. It's so sad that Elliot turned out to be the Head Hunter (NOOOO!!!!!) Still, there's something that I don't quite understand.

The time Break suspected Elliot of being the Head Hunter, he grasped his hand and said that neither Elliot nor the Fianna children can use Humpty Dumpty if he did this. But then the screaming man was still beheaded even though Humpty Dumpty was supposed to be restrained by Break. So who actually did that beheading?

And also who actually killed Vanessa? In Elliot's flashback, we can see him killing his brothers and such but there doesn't seem to be any memory of him killing his sister. So does that mean his sister was killed by someone else, like the person standing on the stairs at that time (Please please don't let it be Leo Sad Sad Sad )

One more thing (this is getting too long T__T), does Leo also have a contract with Humpty Dumpty like the other orphans in the House of Fianna? I'm wondering about the order in which Humpty Dumpty was contracted. Was Elliot the first one to contract with HD, hence being the original contractor? And after finding out about that chain, the Nightray (or Isla) started making the children contract with Humpty Dumpty. Or did the children become contractors before Elliot? Because if it's the first case then Leo shouldn't be a HD contractor while in the latter case, he probably is.
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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:21 pm

Oh yeah, forgot about one thing. Oz destroyed Phillipe's Humpty Dumpty so the clock on his chest disappeared, meaning he's no longer a contractor, right? So I guess if the clock hasn't moved too much and you destroyed the chain, you can free the contractor. However, Elliot's clock is already 3/4 full Sad which means the bond between him and the chain is really strong now, so killing the chain will kill Elliot as well Sad (NOOOOO!!!) Is there no way to save Elliot from being dragged to the Abyss??

Compared to the children's clocks, Elliot's one seems to move the most so that means he contracted with Humpty Dumpty before the kids ~> Leo might not be an illegal contractor, also because HD removed painful memories but Leo still seems to remember everything. But then why did he say to Oz that "...like Phillipe and the other kids, I might forget that...." Ok, I'm getting myself confused now.
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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Wed Feb 02, 2011 10:57 pm

@Leo I don't think we've really got sure answers to your questions yet. It does seem like Elliot could not have killed Vanessa, or that random man in Retrace 53, and it seems unlikely that he killed Marie, Riitasu and Glooner as well. So there is probably someone else "hunting heads" as well, but we just don't know for certain.

I think there is reason to believe that Elliot is the original contractor for Humpty Dumpty (because his Humpty is white not black like the others, and the relative lateness of his incuse). There also seem to be some hints in ch 57 that he might have made the contract when he and Leo visited Sablier to rescue the orphans. That would have been about 2 years ago, I think. The children probably contracted with HD after that.
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PostSubject: Re: chapter 57   Wed Feb 02, 2011 11:17 pm

@Reim: Yeah. Probably things will get a little bit clearer with the next chapter. But I really can't wait anymore >< Who would the other Head Hunter be? Hmmm...

Hope the next chapter will show us how Elliot contracted with Humpty Dumpty, what happened when Elliot and Leo went to rescue the children, why Elliot was in such a near death state back then. Please please give these two a happy ending T___T
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