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Subject: Chapter 61 Tue May 17, 2011 3:56 pm
Well, this is just a thread for the upcoming chapter. XD Now that the raws are out, let's post our thoughts, shall we?
EDIT:
RAWS ARE HERE!!! Click to download. XD And yes, like the usual stuff, please wait for 2-3 days for the translated scans. Cheers! /o/
...and long time no talk peeps, I'm also busy XD[
Xerxes Break Admin of Pandora
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Subject: Re: Chapter 61 Tue May 17, 2011 5:57 pm
i better put this in spoilor
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looks like we have another head hunter known as vincent nightray not just that it apears he has a second chain from what i saw Vincent killed aload of pandora men by utting there heads off with this second chain and took leo and left. theres also a shoot where it shows you leo and Glen back to back. so from the sounds of it leo could defently be glens recarnation which could be why vincent took leo away. i must also add i think vincent could be the main head hunter cause it also shows flash back of him killing people at the part by moving there heads
so yeah i think vincent could be the main villian of this series after looking at the scans
oh and if your a vincent or leo fan, then you'll love this chapter,
oh i forgot to add we get to see leos eyes
Lily Baskerville
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AS I THOUGHT. This chapter. will. reveal. his eyes. And I was right!!!!
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Yeah, we have another headhunter by the looks of it. And look, Vincent is worshipping Leo!! I can't translate the last page >w< But I can, once I get over with those eyes first XD What is the name of this new chain of Vincent... XD We'll find out once the chapter's English scans are out then.
Leo ;w; /o/
Reo
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Subject: Re: Chapter 61 Tue May 17, 2011 7:07 pm
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! not again, I just want to punch mochijuns pretty face once again, stop trolliiiinnnnnng I can't TT_TT...
*curls up and dies*
Leo
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Subject: Re: Chapter 61 Tue May 17, 2011 7:22 pm
@Lily: Did you call me???
Despite having a huge exam tomorrow I just couldn't not read the raw >__>.
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@Lily: The thought of Vincent worshipping Leo just sound so strange XD; Hope we'll get a clearer idea when the scanlation is out. And haha, hope you'll get over those eyes soon XD I literally stopped breathing when I saw the last page XD;;; Now I know the meaning of "breathtaking". Now that makes me wonder if I should change my avatar T_T. Is it considered a spoiler?? Well I did try to make it as faint as possible =v=;;
So that's Vincent's chain? Is it his second chain or is it the true form of Dormouse? Probably a second chain but that makes me wonder how he managed to contract with 2 chains. From the look of it, both are legal contracts. Hmm... with 2 blood seal mirrors maybe? Is this chain the real Queen of Hearts then? I don't think that name suits it much though I do have to say it's quite an epic chain. And haha, I think whether I like or hate Vincent will depend on the translation of the chapter because at this point I have no idea. And noooooo Elliot! Please don't apologise ;A; Boohoohoo Why do you have to say sorry!!!
Huhu now that's done I'm gonna have to leave again ;___; I promise I'll be back here in 3-4 days (after those lkdsjlacj exams ><.)
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Leah
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Subject: Re: Chapter 61 Tue May 17, 2011 7:26 pm
@Leo Aha, I couldn't resist neither and I have lots of exams coming up. I've been going on the computer for the past couple of days to check for RAWs ;~;
Thanks so much for the link Lily!
Leo
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Subject: Re: Chapter 61 Tue May 17, 2011 7:29 pm
@Leah: Haha same XD I pretty much refreshed the Pandora Hearts LJ page every 5 mins T__T. Such a sad person I am. Well now that I read it, I'm gonna have to go back to revision TT__TT. And good luck with your exams ^^~!
@Elliot: Don't kill me ok? I promise I'll start revising now. *logs off with tearful eyes*
Edit: Elliot, I think I'm failing miserably XD;;; I keep logging out and then in again T__T.
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@Lily: Seems like Vincent worshipping Leo is kinda right. In the last page, Vincent said "...... My Lord, Leo Baskerville" Oh hahaha Sebastian much? These are what I got from LJ: nijiiro_koori:The Chain's name is Demios (the name of the chapter) and it's an illegal contract a745: I'm gonna paste the whole thing here: "Oh here, and more stuff. At the last part, Leo asks why Vince is telling him all this, about Elli's last words. He says he wants Leo to obtain the Will of the Abyss, use its power... and I think "erase me from this world". What, Vince wants to die or something?? He says something about granting Gil "a world without himself" or something. Vince says as long as Leo grants that, he'll stay and serve Leo and cater to all his orders (WOW). Leo says that he and Vince are just the same. They always end up hurting the people they truly care about.
Also, Vince happens to see Leo's eyes at the very end and comments: "How beautiful... the color of his eyes... a golden light that floats within the unending jet black, as if showing the world visible only to him... Just like the darkness that swallows everything up..."
Last words at the bottom says "Those eyes will change the world...!""
Wow now that's quite something. And eh, the golden light part. Does this mean Leo has golden eyes or is it just Vincent's metaphor?? Oh haha it would be funny it his eyes are indeed golden (black hair, golden eyes with that strange pattern, does that mean he's Gil and Lottie's child?? 8D *punches self*)
Leah
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Subject: Re: Chapter 61 Tue May 17, 2011 8:34 pm
@Leo Ack, thank you! You too, you'll do great, I have faith in you! 8D
Just thought I'd share a link: http://justpandoraheartsthings.tumblr.com/ that person has been translating some parts of chapter 61 ^.
Leo
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Subject: Re: Chapter 61 Tue May 17, 2011 8:47 pm
@Leah: Thanks XD Let's both do our best! And thanks a lot for the link!
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OMG!!!!!! Leo is cutting his hair?????????? Ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! Oh my, I can't wait till the next chapter to see Vincent's skill as a hairdresser XD XD But saddddd he's just not the same without that hairstyle of his T__T. Also.... if he decides not to hide anymore, does that mean he will no longer use the glasses Elliot gave him? (Well actually he doesn't seem to have the glasses with him atm anyway. Probably they got left behind in Yura's mansion)
Xerxes Break Admin of Pandora
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Subject: Re: Chapter 61 Tue May 17, 2011 9:33 pm
@Break: Yay! Thanks a lot for sharing the link!! Now it makes so much more sense
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Haha, poor Vincent was mistaken for a female, hence the name the Queen of Hearts XD Well it's his fault for wearing that kind of clothes. So he's the original headhunter and Elliot's just an imitation of the headhunter? T__T. Oh Elliot, just why did you have to die?? ;A; Interesting... so Vincent has been killing Illegal Contractors ever since the beginning of the series. Now the William West incident makes a lot more sense. But that makes me wonder about Vincent's contractor seal. He's had that Chain since long ago and he sure has used it loads of time, how far has the seal been completed?? Or maybe the seal has been completed because Vincent said that he had escaped from the Abyss. @__@. Why did Vincent take Leo back to the Nightray mansion?? It can't be just for Leo to change his clothes, can it? @__@. It seems like all the Pandora members in the mansion are being held by Doldrum temporarily so probably Vincent just drops by for a short period of time. "Drop of golden light". Now it really reminds me of something that was said in a past chapter but I can't remember what it is >_>. Hmm... (but well, good that this probably means the "golden" thingy is not about Leo's eye colour.) Oh yeah! The golden light! The Abyss was originally a place basked in golden light, a paradise of some sorts until it got corrupted and turned into the current Abyss. So does this mean Leo will be able to "save" the Abyss?
Gilbert Nightray
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Subject: Re: Chapter 61 Tue May 17, 2011 10:36 pm
.....God damnit I'm half mad and have proud of Vincent now.....Dx
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Mad cuz he's killing all these people and fuckin kidnapped Leo (kinda). Proud cuz he killed douche-bad Nightray Head....xD;
Vincent being an illegal contractor....that does explain why him and Gil were able to get out of the abyss as kids, when the only exception was they make a contract. xD; //was kinda wondering about that for awhile.
And Vincent actually LIKED ELLIOT...and Elliot like him!?.....kinda suprizing..but when you think of why it was that way...it makes sense (given Vincents obsession with GIl's happiness). o___o;
also.....shvjbsjvhbskjs GOD DAMNIT VINCENT's MOTIVATION IS MAKING IT HARD FOR ME TO HATE HIM AGAIN!! Dx ....his motivation oddly reminds me of Lelouch from Code Geass and his motivation for Nunalley.
Only he had every intention of having himself killed for the sake of Gil's happiness after removing the evils of the earth....god damnit makin it hard for me to hate you....;A;
and with Leo
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....PRETTY FUCKIN EYES. //had to say it
I feel so bad for Leo...its now 100% confirmed Leo is the next person to be Glen's vessel. Elli's final words to Leo....;A;
He's gonna cut his hair!?....If they cut it like Glen's I will laugh. xD
if any of you were interested this is an entire summary of the chapter.
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Subject: Re: Chapter 61 Tue May 17, 2011 11:24 pm
@Gilbert: Second that. And thanks for the link!
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After reading the translation I have to say that there's no way I can hate Vincent now ;w; No, I have to say that I love this character! @Gil: Lelouch, so true but the method 's slightly different I guess. Lelouch still existed in history, albeit as an evil emperor but Vincent's case would be more similar to Yoite in Nabari no Ou. His very existence will be erased. Huhu why do I feel like Vincent will definitely meet a very sad end? If his existence is erased, doesn't that mean Gil will no longer know that he actually has a brother. Vincent really puts Gilbert's happiness way before himself. So altruistic. I wonder if when they were small, Vincent knew that Gilbert did attempt to abandon him a few times. But would Gil really be happy if he didn't have a little brother with a cursed red eye? Gil's life will be totally different and he might lead a life that's a thousand times worse than his current life. Vincent shouldn't think like that ;___; At least if he exists, he can himself, make sure that Gil is definitely happy in a way, rather than disappear and leave it to the hand of fate. Vincent, you're running away! That reminds me. If Leo can indeed obtain the WIll of the Abyss, I wonder if he'll do something related to Elliot. And eh, Oz is the key to obtain the Will right? So what are Vincent and Leo going to do to/with Oz??
And haha, Glen's hairstyle XD Nooo Leo! You need originality!!! Don't copy Glen!!!
Konpeito
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Subject: Re: Chapter 61 Wed May 18, 2011 1:14 am
Leo wrote:
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OMG!!!!!! Leo is cutting his hair?????????? Ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! Oh my, I can't wait till the next chapter to see Vincent's skill as a headdresser
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I woulden't trust Vincent with cutting Leo's hair with scissors *SHOT*
Gilbert Nightray
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Subject: Re: Chapter 61 Wed May 18, 2011 1:15 am
@Leo:
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You got a point, motivation is similar to Lelouch but the way he will end up is liek Yoite. xD;
For some reason though...I don't think erasing himself will do much good for Gil though. Like it could go so that he gets erased but Gil still remembers him.
Or he could get erased not only from the world, but Gil's mind as well...BUt wouldn't that cause other problems? Think about it, a lot of Gil's past happened because of Vincent or Vincent just happened to be with him and was a huge part of it. If he forgets him, won't Gil's memories get even more screwed up? He might start questioning how he got here, and shit. Thats only gonna confuse him more then he already is.
Lily Baskerville
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Subject: Re: Chapter 61 Wed May 18, 2011 2:10 am
@Leo Didn't call you or anything, I just went ballistic when I saw the last page /o/
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Vince's chain named Demios. It's not the first time I actually saw a double contractor...where was the last time... *mental block galore* =_=;;; And yeah, looks like Leo is next in line for the Baskervilles. Vincent is HIS SERVANT!!! Does that mean Vincent is actually a Baskerville concealing under the cloaks of the Nightrays?! oAo Leo had a haircut per request, I think we can trust Vince now. XD And Leo's eyes...so darn beautiful. I can't stop looking at it >w<
And, pft. To be honest, Leo somewhat looks like Alice. XD
Reim Lunettes
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Subject: Re: Chapter 61 Wed May 18, 2011 4:40 am
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Somehow I don't think Ada will let Vincent 'go' that easily. And the Will of Abyss rarely changes the past in the exact way desired anyhow, does she? So I don't see Vincent's desire/goal ever really coming true. But could certainly lead to some moving moments between him and Gilbert, should Gilbert ever find out Vincent's motivation.
I still want to see some awesome Vincent/Break show down at some point.
And I am just thrilled that my theory turned out to be true! Vincent (or his chain) really was the Queen of Hearts and was responsible for all the unaccounted for headhunter killings. And that whole thing back at the beginning where Break accuses Vincent of killing William West to cover up something related to the headhunter...yes!
Overall, this chapter is made of awesome, even though it's heartbreaking.
Elliot Nightray
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Subject: Re: Chapter 61 Wed May 18, 2011 1:01 pm
......gdi i have mixed feelings now
@Leo: LOL Chapter 61 is an exception xD;;;; dont worry about it xD;;
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Grr......damn that Vincent! Doesn't he realize that he's heading down the same path as the person he hates the most?! >O And doesnt he realize that killing himself---sorry, "erasing himself from existence" wont make Gil happy in the least! He's blind to the truth!!! For all we know, Gil could become extremely miserable! Dx GAHHHH!!!!!! I think he's just going to use Leo, but i am happy that he got Leo out of that...interrogation^^''' AND FRIGGEN DUKE NIGHTRAY. GOOD ON VINCENT FOR KILLING HIM >O *cough* a-anyway >>;;; I must say, Leo is incredibly pretty when you can see his eyes o.o And apparently he is getting a hair cut!!!! I think it would be cute if he got a hair cut similar to Elliots....but then when i was thinking about hair cuts, my mind immediately went to that page where Jun drew Gilbert with all these different styles, like the mohawk and such. I started imagining Leo with those hair cuts and, oh my xD;;;; what an image xD;;;
Reim Lunettes
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Subject: Re: Chapter 61 Wed May 18, 2011 6:07 pm
When I started thinking about what sort of haircut Vincent would give Leo, I figured he might give him an Echo cut. Since I'm guessing he cuts Echo's hair, but who knows. Actually Echo's haircut on Leo would be terribly cute, now that I'm imagining it.
IMO Leo's girlishness is really coming to the fore now, and I'm starting to believe that if any character is going to turn out to be something other than the gender we thought, it would be Leo. Some people say Leo is a girl, but there's also a possibility that he could be a Yoite...i.e. intersex. Just an idea, don't shoot me!
Reo
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Subject: Re: Chapter 61 Wed May 18, 2011 6:40 pm
maybe vincent will just cut the front hair, to uncover his eyes. but who knows .. I don't want him to cut it anyway :/ Love Leo's hair the way it is ùu
Xerxes Break Admin of Pandora
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Subject: Re: Chapter 61 Wed May 18, 2011 6:55 pm
it apears vincent wants to be killed from a translation on manga fox some did vincent asked leo if he would
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Vincent: “My wish is for you to obtain the Will of the Abyss, and using that power, erase me from this world.”
who knows maybe vincent isn't the main villian after all if he's wish for that
Leo
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Subject: Re: Chapter 61 Wed May 18, 2011 7:31 pm
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@Konpi-chan: Haha with the amount of time Vincent has utilised his scissors, I believe he can handle them properly XD @Gil: Yeah, Gil's life might end up being much worse T__T. Vincent really didn't think it through >_>. @Lily: Lol I was just joking And well, Leo has always resembled Alice in one way or another XD; But now the resemblance is just so @__@. I've always tried to imagine Leo's eyes but now they end up being so different from what I expected XD; They are so much fiercer than my imagination @__@. @Elliot: Yes XD;;; Chapter 61 is indeed an exception XD;; And nuuuu!!! Not mohawk!! The mental image!! Ahhh!!! @Reim: Echo's hair would be cute >w<. And a Yoite? That's certainly possible! And I'm looking forward to a Vincent/Break showdown as well. They hate each other with a passion but they're really similar to each other somehow XD; And you're right about Ada. I wonder what her reaction will be like. @Reo: Probably. Though I do have a feeling that the back will be shortened as well T__T. 1 more month we (might) get to see it ~ @Break: True, now I wonder who the bad guy is >__>.
Leah
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Subject: Re: Chapter 61 Wed May 18, 2011 8:00 pm
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Before I read some rough translations and that summary of Retrace 61, I immediately started to hate on Vincent when he said he was the real Head Hunter.
Uhm, there's only one thing that has confused me, but did Elliot sacrifice himself for nothing, or did his sacrifice destroy Humpty Dumpty or is there still some secondary contractors? *noob*
Anyway after reading the summary and rough translations, I slapped myself for hating on Vincent without knowing his motivates, and now I really feel sorry for him. He must really hate himself, huh? And Vincent gained a lot of my respect when he said that he loved/cared for Elliot all along. Ack, so cute T__T
Lol, I don't want Leo's hair to be cut.I feel like I'm the only person who is weirded out by seeing Leo's eyes. D: But I'm slowly getting used to it. I agree with Leo, I expected his eyes to be different. I imagined it being more softer and round-ish.
And a Break and Vincent showdown sounds epic! I really hope there is one sooner or later after Break fully recovers~ If they do duel each other, I think my vote goes on Break defeating Vincent, but who knows.
Reim Lunettes
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Subject: Re: Chapter 61 Thu May 19, 2011 2:45 am
@Leah I don't think Elliot sacrificed himself for nothing. He and Humpty Dumpty did do some killings, so there was that.
Gilbert Nightray
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