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Akkie
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| | Subject: Retrace 67 Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:23 pm | |
| Spoilers and raws out at LiveJournal! We might have to wait for translations, though...
-will have to wait 'til a next poster for some spoilery discuss- | |
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Rufus Barma
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:48 pm | |
| Wow. Well, looking at the Mangafox translations - - Spoiler:
it seems as though the Glen we've been seeing throughout PH is actually Oswald... and could there be a hint of... um... (see, I don't know whether to call him Glen or Oswald now XD ) x Jack..? If so, I honestly didn't see that coming...
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RedEyedGhost
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:11 pm | |
| The blond Glen creeps me out. Imma say that right now. There's something off about him. And what does he want with Jack???
Looks like Lacie knows she'll die soon. Golden Abyss lights already around her body. Hmm. Really interesting comment by Glen that Lacie can see reality without confusion. (And her still thinking Jack is adorable inside. <3)
Jack is, of course, adorable. He acts like he doesn't care that Lacie doesn't remember him, even says that he's happy that her flighty ways have not changed. He just accepts Lacie treating him that way without question; the tendency of accepting things as they are, due to low self-esteem and himself not really mattering, like Oz does. He doesn't even care if he dies as long as he gets to see Lacie again. But when she does remember him and shows caring, he breaks down crying, showing how much it really means to him. Him seeing all those unnamed hands reaching for him when Lacie touched his head is so nauseating and sympathetic at the same time. His perception of intimacy must be so screwed up by now. *hugs Jack >.<*
And Jack is like water again. Love it. Another parallel with Oz again in there being something fundamentally weird about him, and him not being all there. Wonder who else Jack heard this from that he's so affected by Gle-err-Ozwald saying it. (Ozwald: "You're like water." Jack: *splashes water on Ozwald* XD)
Ozwald seems similar to Gil in his quiet guardian ways, although significantly more perceptive. I guess the previous Glen having the next anticipated Glen as his servant is common procedure. And of course I LOVE the yaoi hints between Ozwald and Jack!! And DAMN he's pretty!!
Grrrr. Miranda is reminding me of Ciel's aunt in Kuroshitsuji. BEGONE ICKY COMPARISON!!! >.< Doesn't seem like Jack likes her much, though, just owes her for whatever help she gave him. Wonder what happened between her and Ozwald. At least if she wanted Glen's head, I could see that for political reasons, but Ozwald?
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Leo
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Fri Nov 18, 2011 8:54 pm | |
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@RedEyedGhost: I agree with you. Glen creeped me out as well. His eyes are weird.... and whatever he's planning, it's not going to be pleasant. He is Glen as in Glen Baskerville right? Is he searching for a vessel? Or is he planning something else? Or maybe the Tragedy itself was planned by him? I don't know but I don't like that guy.
*hugs Jack as well* He really is adorable being so touched that Lacie does remember him.
Question: Was that a blush on Jack's face after Gle-Ozwald explained why he called Jack "water"? That made me squeal even though I'm not into yaoi stuffs.
And I have to say, Ozwald is getting prettier and prettier ~ He's certainly climbing up on my favourite character ladder.
Miranda is so twisted I just don't know. What exactly is Ozwald's role? I wonder if he's a Baskerville or not and why is his sister, Lacie, like that?
And I hate it that we'll have to wait for another month to know more ;_____; Such torturous wait.... | |
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RedEyedGhost
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:50 pm | |
| @Leo: Yeah, that was definitely a blush, although I'm not sure why. I'd love to put it into my Jack/Glen yaoi file, and I do, but I think it's also something else. It's like Ozwald saw through something about him. It's weird to say it that way, since the "water" explanation said that Jack is unreadable, but it says something about Jack that not many people can see, just like when Break said it to Oz, and it made Jack embarrassed or uncomfortable that Ozwald could notice that. Ozwald wasn't falling for his happy act of everything being okay. It might also have something to do with Jack not knowing his place in the world, like Oz, and he doesn't like being reminded of that... let alone being reminded of it in a way that implies there's something fundamentally wrong with him, which is something he's probably been struggling with his whole life (like Oz).
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Akkie
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:14 am | |
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I thought it was Oswald's head that Miranda wanted. (Speaking of Miranda, wow Miranda Barma. She's reminded me of Beatrice even before all this why... Also, Miranda cutting heads with an axe makes me think of peppered Duchess from AiW rambling about chopping off Alice's head with an axe.
After seeing the Glen before Oswald, I had a mind-garble related to that guy and what Jack said about "Glen Baskerville is a hindrance" because Jack has known Oswald before all this stuff happened... -waits and see-
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RedEyedGhost
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Sat Nov 19, 2011 12:30 am | |
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After seeing the Glen before Oswald, I had a mind-garble related to that guy and what Jack said about "Glen Baskerville is a hindrance" because Jack has known Oswald before all this stuff happened... -waits and see-
Oooh, awesome insight! Hope that's true. :3 This chapter makes me add Miranda into my list of who might've been controlling Jack (or not) during Sablier tragedy. And she was at the mansion, too. Could've helped Jack fight Glen maybe. Also, there's a parallel between the "water" scene with Jack and Ozwald, and the time with Break and Oz. Oz was drinking something and acting like nothing's wrong (as was Jack), Break called Oz weird and not all there (as did Ozwald), Oz was shaken by it (as was Jack), then Alice stepped in to defend Oz and said that he's right here (and Lacie pulled Jack out of the room and said that she can see him and that he's still a nice person). And what's up with blond Glen's bandaged hands/neck??
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Lacie
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:41 pm | |
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Another great chapter! @RedEyesGhost now that you mention it, I've noticed the pondages, too. That guy seemed creepy before but those bondages make him even more creepier...The part when he suddenly appeared behind Lacie made him look like a ghost or something :S I wonder what Miranda and Glens goals are. Btw did you guys notice Lottie and the other Baskervilles on the cover?  The fact that they are behind Miranda made me think that they possibly are connected to her in some way? Well, we'll have to wait another month...
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Leo
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Sat Nov 19, 2011 1:58 pm | |
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@Lacie: Yep! I did notice them as well but I don't know the reason yet ~ I don't want to think of them as Miranda's servants or something. Wait... the blond Glen... hmm... Were the Baskervilles wearing red cloaks at this time? Miranda's image reminds me of the colour red.... Eh....
@Red: I wonder about the bandages as well. Is his body breaking down or something??
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Rufus Barma
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:05 pm | |
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@Lacie, who's hair/head is that supposed to be behind Jack? Oswald's..? or just another view of Lacie?
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Leo
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:10 pm | |
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@Rufus: I guess that might be Lacie because it seems like that person has long hair and is wearing a dress with rose decorations. Alice maybe? But it's probably Lacie
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Rufus Barma
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:11 pm | |
| @Leo Thank-you  I was wondering, would it be possible for one of you to post the link to the raws? I had it before and can't seem to find it again >.< | |
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Leo
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:16 pm | |
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@Rufus: I'm not sure if I'm allowed to post the link here but anyway here: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=B5OITYPZ
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Rufus Barma
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:17 pm | |
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@Leo, oops, if you're not, sorry about that, but thanks anyway  can delete it if you want
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Leo
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Sat Nov 19, 2011 2:23 pm | |
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@Rufus: It's ok
I have to say that Gil and Vincent look really adorable in the colour cover ;w;
Wait I think the background of the colour cover is 1 picture seperated by the window frames, so it's likely that the Baskervilles were looking at Glen, Gil & Vincent, not Miranda.
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Itera
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:21 pm | |
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I actually was trying to refrain from reading spoilers this month, and hold off until the translated vers. was posted, but I - of course - couldn't wait... especially since I ended up scrolling past some spoilers on tumblr, and I couldn't contain myself =w=
Jack was just so... ugh, sweet in this this chapter. He is a lot like Oz in the aspect that he just continues going on no matter what bad things happen, hiding it all inside while showing a smile.. although his happiness in seeing Lacie again was heart warming, I can't bring myself to like the two of them together. Something just feels off. I don't know... ^^; Probably because I'm more of a Glen/Jack person. Or rather... Ozwald/Jack... now that was surprising, I was expecting a whole new character to be introduced, but this makes sense in some aspects, I suppose. I had been thinking that Lacie and 'Glen' looked quite a bit alike, so the fact that they are siblings isn't too surprising. But him being ozwald... that took me a while to completely process. I really enjoyed the chapter though... but I really, really, REALLY need the next one ;A; things are just starting to fit together...
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LBrook9
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Sun Nov 20, 2011 6:08 pm | |
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Ths chapter was just like '...You what?' all the way through, SO much of it is eye-opening but just as equally it makes you go 'eehhhhhh?'
The blond Glen is really very creepy, i think its his blond eyelashes. I wonder what his colour scheme is.
I was NOT expecting 'Glen' to be Ozwald. I was not...the thought never even crossed my mind!! *_*
I cant wait for the next chapter!!! Hopefully some more stuff will be cleared up!!
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Akkie
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Tue Nov 22, 2011 1:08 pm | |
| Let me just say (FINALLY)... - Spoiler:
The different attitude, I expected. But was one of those who didn't expect that Glen. I expected someone with a darker color scheme... (Well, he's another tone of those good-looking gentlemen, so I don't really find it necessary to complain...) -grabs the honor of being the first known person to draw fanart of him, using said fanart as avatar- But yeah... what's the deal with the bandages...?
... That Glen also kind of made an appearance back at Retrace LVIII, nine chapters ago... just without the bandages. Notice the sleeves?
And I definitely noticed Lotti and the others at the background of that color picture. [s]Though, it did take a while to find Lily so that I may be able to HNNNGGGG at her never-ending cuteness and not care of my increasing need of insulin[/s]. Those images must've happened some time after Oswald became Glen and Lacie went away (No, I REFUSE to say THE WORD/S!)... [s]GILBERT YOURE SO CHEERFUL IT MAKES ME CRY LOTS FOR YOU I MEAN YOURE MUCH MORE CHEERFUL THAN THE GREAT ABYSS SPIT-OUT ;_;[/s]
Lastly~ Lastly~
Does anyone think the spell Miranda used to help Vincent save Gilbert (Supposedly) also involves Demios and the no-Abyss-entry?
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Leo
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:15 pm | |
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@Akkie: So that hand belongs to the blond Glen! I was re-reading the chapters yesterday and thought that it couldn't be Oswald's hand but now that you said it, it does seem to be Glen's! Nice observation!
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Lily Baskerville
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:17 pm | |
| I..haven't been here for quite a while. =w=;;;; - Spoiler:
That aside, this is definitely an adorable chapter, as one would say. Jack's oh-so-cute over his obsession/love for Lacie and he even goes overboard as to disguise himself as a musician for the Barma house XD Quite cunning of Jack, really~
Lacie dying, eh. My mind tells me that when Lacie dies, that's where Jack enters the scene with a sword in hand, blaming Ozwald and Glen for Lacie's death. *points at chapter 65 where Jack wounds Gilbert* That scene has to be connected to my theory in some parts.
Lastly, haha. I expected Glen to be Ozwald anyway. And yes, Glen Ozwald is smiling! OMGASDFGHJKL!!!!;;;; XDDD;;
Well, I enjoyed this chapter although it's another "torturous wait" as I would quote Leo XDD The Fallen Syndicate release might be in the next 3-6 hours if I can predict.  | |
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Xerxes Break
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Fri Nov 25, 2011 6:55 pm | |
| for some odd reason i have a feeling jack is oz's real father O.O | |
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LoneNecromancer
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Sat Nov 26, 2011 2:59 pm | |
| - Lily Baskerville wrote:
- The Fallen Syndicate release might be in the next 3-6 hours if I can predict.
Yep, it's out. We finally managed to get HQ Raws, so if anyone wants to check the site or forum, all yours. - Lily Baskerville wrote:
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Lacie dying, eh. My mind tells me that when Lacie dies, that's where Jack enters the scene with a sword in hand, blaming Ozwald and Glen for Lacie's death. *points at chapter 65 where Jack wounds Gilbert* That scene has to be connected to my theory in some parts.
Er, Lacie had been dead for ages by the time Jack actually went after Glen. | |
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Lily Baskerville
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Sun Nov 27, 2011 1:45 am | |
| So does that mean....
...it was how many years passed before Jack actually knew that Lacie died oAo | |
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RedEyedGhost
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:17 am | |
| No, Jack always knew that Lacie died. During Sablier tragedy (which is when Jack slashed Gil) he was confronting Ozwald-Glen for fear of what he wanted to do to Alice. | |
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Isla Yura
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| | Subject: Re: Retrace 67 Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:28 am | |
| I wanna say sometiiiiing!!! >  This chapter was really interesting. We got to see a new charcter named "Glen"... Man, now talking about them is gonna be confusing. Zwei's already giving me trouble. Bleuugh. WHY does Lacie have to die?!that and why is creepy Barma Lady obsessed with Glen;s head? omg, I betcha her chain is Demios. | |
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